Another Tournament?

Well, about six monthes ago, maybe more I started making posts about who the community thought was the best player etc etc. I think a lot of people at the time thought it was sev. Now, some people didn't agree so I came up with the idea of running a tournament to determine who it was. Sev ended up winning, with Saiyan being the runner-up. So now I'm curious if the community is ready for another tournament. I believe the last tourney was the only tourney to ever determine a winner. I must admit, mistakes were made that caused friction and I was warned before hand that something might go wrong, but it was my own doing to a certain extent. Anyway, I think from what I learned last time I can make the tourney better. All the rules would be almost the same. I think the window of playing time would need to be extended because that's how I got in trouble the first time, forfeiting a player. Well, lets see what type of responses I get and the interest level to see if I should even consider doing it all again. I know I know, I said I wouldn't run another tourney but it's summer and I have a lot of free time.

btw, if you don't know I am Skywalker

uhh, the ibl was successful .. and had a "winner" as far as I know .... silly skywalker

Min

this might not be the right chat but i want a big game 3 x 3 3 old people x 3 new player's post here if u wanna play old people look out :twisted:

Samurai wrote:

this might not be the right chat but i want a big game 3 x 3 3 old people x 3 new player's post here if u wanna play old people look out :twisted:

Let's do it.

frenzy wrote:

Well, about six monthes ago, maybe more I started making posts about who the community thought was the best player etc etc. I think a lot of people at the time thought it was sev. Now, some people didn't agree so I came up with the idea of running a tournament to determine who it was. Sev ended up winning, with Saiyan being the runner-up. So now I'm curious if the community is ready for another tournament. I believe the last tourney was the only tourney to ever determine a winner. I must admit, mistakes were made that caused friction and I was warned before hand that something might go wrong, but it was my own doing to a certain extent. Anyway, I think from what I learned last time I can make the tourney better. All the rules would be almost the same. I think the window of playing time would need to be extended because that's how I got in trouble the first time, forfeiting a player. Well, lets see what type of responses I get and the interest level to see if I should even consider doing it all again. I know I know, I said I wouldn't run another tourney but it's summer and I have a lot of free time.

btw, if you don't know I am Skywalker

Let's do this too.

BTW, will this tournament be an invitational or an open?

Mad Scout wrote:

frenzy wrote:

Well, about six monthes ago, maybe more I started making posts about who the community thought was the best player etc etc. I think a lot of people at the time thought it was sev. Now, some people didn't agree so I came up with the idea of running a tournament to determine who it was. Sev ended up winning, with Saiyan being the runner-up. So now I'm curious if the community is ready for another tournament. I believe the last tourney was the only tourney to ever determine a winner. I must admit, mistakes were made that caused friction and I was warned before hand that something might go wrong, but it was my own doing to a certain extent. Anyway, I think from what I learned last time I can make the tourney better. All the rules would be almost the same. I think the window of playing time would need to be extended because that's how I got in trouble the first time, forfeiting a player. Well, lets see what type of responses I get and the interest level to see if I should even consider doing it all again. I know I know, I said I wouldn't run another tourney but it's summer and I have a lot of free time.

btw, if you don't know I am Skywalker

Let's do this too.

BTW, will this tournament be an invitational or an open?

I don't know yet. If it's open it would prolly be the first 16 or w/e that sign up. I don't know how smoothly things would run with lots of people

Ummm. I thought most people entered that tourny of yours 6 months ago to have fun and try to get as far as they could, knowing they could never make it to number 1.

If you truly wanted to try to determine number 1 you'd just need to take about 5 players and have them compete intensely against each other for about 1-2 weeks, playing 10-15 maps multiple times. Then you'd have someone who can truly claim to be number 1 in all variety of styles and maps when it comes to 1x1 games.

Instead, your tourney is more like the Olympics games - not necessarly the best overall person wins that single competition to carry the Gold medal, it's just who was the most outstanding during that momenent.

I'm not saying that's bad, just noting the difference :)

It SHOULD be open, otherwise ppl like me will not give a shit.

FireIce wrote:

If you truly wanted to try to determine number 1 you'd just need to take about 5 players and have them compete intensely against each other for about 1-2 weeks, playing 10-15 maps multiple times. Then you'd have someone who can truly claim to be number 1 in all variety of styles and maps when it comes to 1x1 games.

Exactly. But good luck scheduling it and getting all 5 to play all the games in those 2 weeks. :)

I would be glad to help with the next tourny if it's decided that we are going to have another. :)

FireIce wrote:

Instead, your tourney is more like the Olympics games - not necessarly the best overall person wins that single competition to carry the Gold medal, it's just who was the most outstanding during that momenent.

Or more like the Super Bowl: one single game, on a neutral site. Team who is most outstanding during that moment wins. But if the so-called better winbolo player doesn't win when he's "supposed to", why not?? Why can't he win when it COUNTS?? Was the other player hungrier? More prepared? More focused? Did he outhink the favorite? Was he more awake and alert at the time? All things that may contribute to an upset. And all things that both players should consider before starting the game. If both players consider all these things (and maybe more that I haven't thought of) then there's no reason the favored player should win 2-0 or at least 2-1 (each team winning on its choice map, the favorite winning on the neutral CT3). Unless the other player is hungrier, and wants it more. Then that gives that player more of an edge.

The Super Bowl is a single game only because it would be impossible to schedule a best-of-7 series like in other sports, that's due to the nature of football. The nature of our game and our scheduling abilities dictates that the best we can do is a best-of-3 to decide a winner.

Mad Scout wrote:

The nature of our game and our scheduling abilities dictates that the best we can do is a best-of-3 to decide a winner.

This time instead of best of three, I think it would be best of five.

I would like to see best of 5 for semi-finals as well as finals.

sounds good :D

I dont think I'm gonna do it. Change of heart. Sorry, my bad :(

skywalker wrote:

I dont think I'm gonna do it. Change of heart. Sorry, my bad :(

but with all the winboloers out there surely somebody else can run a tourny. Probably do better than me. Start one up. Ren you're in irc and play the most games out of nayone in the past 18 monthes and you wanted to help me the first time and asked again. Here's your chance to prove yourself to the community that your more than just a pillow-biting fag! BTW, Ren loves the cock

Heh I dunno about your philosophising Mad Scout.

I think the fact they only schedule one superbowl game makes it a lot more appealing to viewers, because the underdog team has a lot more chance in winning 1 game out of 1 then in winning 3 games out of 5.

So, if I was to run a tourny, I'd make it just 1 game only. That'd make it a lot more fun for the spectators (those watching the results) and for the participants (at least for the underdog - it would put more pressure on the one who is supposed to win to do it right the first time).

Anyway, a tourney where you have to win 3 out of 5 games is gonna be boring to follow - as the results would be pretty much pre-determined.

Just my two cents.

How bout this... you have everyone compete against everyone head to head, 1 game, on a predetermined map like CT3 as a qualifying stage. Then the top 16 people based upon W-L records after the qualifying stage is complete must move into a tournament bracket. The bracket is seeded by the win-loss records such that the top seeded players, should they continue their success, will meet in the later rounds a la NCAA.

That way people should get knocked out by Sev at the appropriate stage in the bracket such that their overall end ranking matches their efforts rather than their luck of the draw as in the last tourney, and it should setup a fantastic showdown in the finale where I return from my semi-sabbatical to whup Sev's wheatgrass nibblin butt as payback for my early departure from the last tournament. GRRRRRR.